Olivia Newton John has a new boyfriend. Caroline Graham reports that the songbird is falling hopelessly in love with a multimillionaire movie investor named Michael Klein. Graham reports that “the pair spent last week together at Donald Trump's Florida estate, where Newton-John was due to perform at a private charity yesterday.” We hope she had a good view of the ocean, because an ocean is where her alleged longtime lover Patrick McDermott went missing eight months ago while Livvie skipped nary a beat.
It appears that Olivia Newton-John’s team has successfully put this scandal behind her.
But what happened to Patrick McDermott? And why doesn’t anyone care?
Patrick McDermott was a cameraman and supposedly Newton-John’s lover of nine years when he disappeared from a fishing charter boat off San Pedro, California, on June 30. He was missing more than seven weeks before an eagle-eyed reporter made the connection, and let police and the Coast Guard know the missing man was the boyfriend of an international superstar. In those seven weeks, Olivia Newton-John neither reported McDermott missing nor made any public appeal to find him, in case he was in a hospital or wandering with amnesia. Newton-John had been back and forth between Malibu and Australia, where she’d made public appearances and went about business preparing an album release and tour.
On that Sunday morning in August when the story broke, the Coast Guard told us they didn’t know if Patrick McDermott was dead or alive--and that they suspected he’d taken a runner-- faked his death because of money troubles! First question: How could Olivia Newton-John’s live-in lover have money troubles?
It was McDermott’s ex-wife, and mother of his 13-year-old son, who reported McDermott missing, a week after his disappearance. He’d been divorced from Yvette Nipar for a dozen years, yet she was still part of his life, and had recently taken him to court for child support. Investigative reporter Doug Bruckner found out in short order that McDermott had filed for bankruptcy, and lived not in Newton-John’s Malibu pleasuredome, but in a small house in Van Nuys, the low-rent porn capital in the Valley. He also found Nipar, who wouldn’t talk (and still hasn’t).
As soon as we got on the story, Newton-John released a statement urging help in finding her “treasured friend” and went into mournful “seclusion.” But within days, she brought in Hollywood security expert Gavin de Becker, and the spin campaign began. Friends and a nephew calling himself “Emerson Newton-John” (actually Jeff Conaway’s kid) told stories that painted Newton-John as leader of the search effort, explained away her seven weeks of public bliss, and revealed the slow fade of the relationship because of McDermott’s drinking.
For Newton-John, the mourning period was about as swift as Pat O’Brien’s rehabilitation from sex and drug addiction. Despite earlier indications, she carried on with her album promotion, as a deal was made for a softball, no-hard-questions interview segment on Good Morning America and with other news outlets. She returned to the stage, carried on with her tour, and in November even made tabloid headlines with an alleged $9,000 lunch at a New York City eatery with her longtime friend, the “asexual” Brit singer Cliff Richard.
Patrick McDermott quickly became old news, another tragic episode in the brave Livvie saga.
So what gives? What happened to Patrick McDermott? At last word, police and Coast Guard have no clues and are leaning toward suicide, allowing them to close the book on this latest chapter of Hollywood Babylon.
So McDermott committed suicide, ran away because of his debts, or simply slipped off the boat.
Why did Olivia Newton-John act as she did? Tabloid Baby theory: Either Olivia Newton-John didn’t know he was missing—or she helped him abscond to a place like Australia’s Great Barrier Reef. Because Patrick McDermott was a beard. An employee. A big, strong, handsome man whose job it was to be at her side at premieres, in articles, and Hollywood myth, for a number of reasons that go beyond what she does in her private life. Patrick McDermott played his part, and then drove home to Van Nuys.
Olivia Newton-John has been rumoured to be a lesbian, even before she camped it up with Travolta in Grease. She’s blamed the rumours on a Tonight Show appearance back in the 1970s, when her innocent comment about having “girlfriends” caused Johnny to arch an eyebrow.
But her real troubles started in 1980, when a stalker named Ralph Nau came into her life. Convinced she loved him, Ralph started following the star. Four years later, he tried to join her onstage in Los Angeles and followed to Australia. Then he beat his autistic brother to death. He remains in a mental institution.
She first hired hired Gavin de Becker and his security team in 1983, when another stalker, Michael Perry, was found near her home. De Becker’s people convinced Perry to get out of town and out of state. Perry went home to Louisiana, slaughtered five members of his own family and left a note suggesting Newton-John might be next. De Becker whisked her into hiding; Perry was caught, and remains on Death Row.
Late in 1984, she married a young actor named Matt Lattanzi. Latanzi, eleven years her junior, had been discovered by director George Cukor for the movie Rich & Famous. They had a daughter and lived a mostly private life, until 1995, when after a bout with breast cancer and bankruptcy, Newton-John and Lattanzi divorced. Soon, Patrick McDermott became the man at her side. A tough guy you wouldn’t want to mess with.
Patrick McDermott played his role for the Hollywood machine. He provided perfect cover for Olivia-Newton John, from People magazine to the Enquirer to Entertainment Tonight. But after he disappeared, and the elements of a textbook Hollywood scandal and cover-up began taking shape in plain sight on three continents, few made the effort to follow up. There are albums to promote, and awards to give out. Now Olivia Newton-John's moved on, with a rich new boyfriend to be seen with in public, and an unpleasant episode is pushed aside.
Remember Patrick McDermott. His story’s not over yet.
Is Patrick McDermott alive? Report sightings here.
Sunday, February 05, 2006
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 374 of 374Well i see king luatic d'amato is reading these post's here and commenting on them on his stalker site forever and always.However, after reading these post's he STILL has not said anything about his board moderator Kate following that tour bus.He always says people make up things about him and his site.Well this bus following is fact and he chooses to ignore it.What a shame..Yet in future months we will still be able to read the constant ramblings of "Why does Olivia and her management want nothing to do with us ?Well this whole episode is just one of many reasons.How about it Mr.D'amato, one last time ,Do you condone your board moderator following Olivia's tour bus?
Hey Sybil, leave Kate and others alone. So she followed Olivia's tour bus, OK, who cares. People follow idols all the time and they are not stalkers. Look at fans of Elvis and Woodstock fans. Are they stalkers, No, just fans.
It amazes me that Woodstock had 450,000 fans seeing great performers, yet so many Olivia fans cannot get along.
Besides, it would be interesting to see you at an Only Olivia convention coming up, you could have one table for one person and fill it with your ten different personalities, OJ, Jackson, Bill, Patrick,stalker and whoever else you invent yourself to be.
So she followed Olivia's tour bus, OK, who cares. ...I'm sure Olivia and her security cares.
D'Amato as you call him never denied anything, i just think he ignores your petty little rants.
(to the one who's always complaining about that bus incident, a rather trivial affair that you choose to take wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too seriously)
I do too.
Please shut up or come up with something much more substantial if you want to defame a website and the people on it.
Your charges and insults are so insignificant, that it's hard to take you seriously.
Those posts we are responding to are by Tabloïd Baby reporters, xymox.
That's why they write this, for ex.:
"(Meanwhile, rabid fans of Olivia Newton-John are engaged in a lively, angry and bizarre debate that has nothing to do with this story in the comments section of one of our February posts. See it here.)"
It's on the home page, at the end of the Extra and McDermott article.
Those are their articles (they keep bragging about how they were ahead of the media in digging info about Patrick, and the "Where in the world is Patrick Mcdermott" article we're responding to is part of these articles).
Check their "Timeline" post about Patrick McDermott articles.
D'Amato as you call him never denied anything, i just think he ignores your petty little rants..................Well first of all dumb ass , king lunatic d'amato is king of all ranting.just look at the length of his whining rants about OO.Second , King lunatic D'amato is responding to these posts on his stalker site Forever and always so he's doing apretty crappy job og ignoring me.Third, the only thing he is ignoring however is the question of Why does he condone his board moderator stalking Olivia?.I guess he's afraid of loseing someone who posts on his message board because that would bring his number of posters to 5.
Your charges and insults are so insignificant, that it's hard to take you seriously.(post from above)
Nice big words dumb ass but i would'nt go throwing around the word insignificant from a fanclub that can generate less than 40 members after 5 YEARS.That is the definition of insignificant.oh and here's another word to describe it PATHETIC.
To Mr. or Mrs dumbass:
D'Amato didn't deny and certainly didn't condone anything.
Only a twit worries about things like that. It's evident he's not encouraging anyone to behave in a disrespectful or lawless manner.
If you read his site so much, why don't you mention how he's always telling people to be honest, not steal or pirate Olivia material, behave themselves honorably, etc?
You're a little fuck aren't you? You won't tell the truth.
Why don't you get lost and let others live without your poison?
You're wasting your time with your stupid little charges.
And i don't care what you think about F&A..... if you're not insignificant yourself, don't repeat what was in that post (bus following, etc).
Get it?
If you're so bright, don't do the very thing that you're accusing others of doing.
But it's obvious you're too caught up in your own poison to realize that..
If you read his site so much, why don't you mention how he's always telling people to be honest, not steal or pirate Olivia material, behave themselves honorably, etc?
(post from above)...........AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ,Now since you brought up the subject of"steal or pirate Olivia material", once again King Lunatic D'amato and his stalker site Forever and Always is screwing Olivia yet AGAIN!OK dumb ass go to his website and click on the tab OLIVIA FOR SALE.Let's see what comes up.Oh look he is selling Olivia's 82 concert on DVD.But wait has Olivia ever released this on DVD?The answer is NO!!!!!!!The King Lunatic D'amato is selling bootleg material right on his own site!Good job D'amato.Let's see what else there is ,he's selling magazines that were FREE in Vegas for a profit. Also postcard's promoting the concert that were FREE he's selling for a profit.That's alot of class.Also he's selling mousepad's ,wall clocks and other items with Olivia's picture on it.Guess what? That's copyright infrigment to use her photograph without her permission.D'amato is so happy with that one letter from Olivia's lawyer he keeps ranting about well there could be more coming in the form of a lawsuit!LOLOnce again the F&A site is just yanking the money right out of Olivia's hands.So d'amato how many of those bootleg svd's have you been selling ?Is that a hot item????
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Hey King Dumb Ass (sorry but you don't seem very bright even if you try to sound so sharp..all these lame arguments using Kate and misquoting D'Amato..).
1rst: Tell me how you KNOW (not believe) that D'Amato sells these things without authorization.
2nd: Selling CDs you already paid for is not piracy. They don't seem to be illegal CDs either. I don't know where you got the idea that they're not legal.
3rd: OO does the same thing (sell things that have the symbol or representation of Olivia on them) in their "Sales" section, in "Club Sales".
How do you know they're any more legal than D'Amato's?
By the way, this is more interesting than your ridiculous rants about Kate.
But still insufficient i'm afraid.
Is F&A really selling the 1982 concert? I think that is worth looking into, since it has never been released for sale in years since the original VHS/Beta formats.
You can find the 1982 concert (Physical tour) on amazon.com, on VHS.
You really need to grow up.
But is F&A selling the original VHS copyright or bootleg copies?
9:30 pm post
Oh my God. I have seen the light. I am taken back by my sins. May all future generations be so touched and warned by such ingenious postings as 9:30 pm
Grow up!
Somebody contact the Dali Lhama. Quick contact the New York Times. A genious is under revolution here. So articulate. So brillaint! I don't know what I shall do. grow up!! Grow up? My life will never be the same. I have truly been touched by a scholar. Wow. I have never read such deep heart felt emotion, God help me make it through the night. For I have been called out.
Yes, we are all shaking here as well. Grow up? That shall be the mantra for all future revolutionary generations. My God, could she be anymore genius? Entire corporations will tremble down to the very core when word of "grow up" reaches the executive offices!
trembling are we!
I think we should back off. Lord knows what this cutting edge messenger shall warn us of yet! Please everyone heed the warning . grow up!!! for God sakes before it is too late!!!
Ground control, consider that a red code. All systems are go. Damn this is going to be fun.
IP has been forwarded. Stay within the guidelines.
Who's "she", dumbo? And how the hell do you know who's posting?
It's always "she", "she", "she", etc.
Are you all paranoïd and think it's always the same person opposing you?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!
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Let's sit back and laugh at all hell breaking loose.
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Is it fair>
To my knowledge, no one has ever gotten these transfers. It is suspected that the three gaps on top are in Phoenix, the "Freakin Pool Grind" is in Roswell, the "Hawk Bridge Grind" is in Burnside, and "Are You Kidding" is in San Francisco. None of the above is known for certain. Those who are paying attention and have been trying to get all the transfers will notice the conspicuous absence of any "Insane Rail To Rail Combo" anywhere, and in fact the complete lack of the word "Insane" in or around any of the transfers.
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char notreduced[40];
FILE *fp;
char *fgets();
char word[MAXWORD];
main(argc,argv)
int argc;
char **argv;
{
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int usercnt,found,crypts;
long tim;
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tim, crypts, tim / (float)crypts);
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Leave the script and time readings alone, only read poster IP
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Hey King Dumb Ass (sorry but you don't seem very bright even if you try to sound so sharp..all these lame arguments using Kate and misquoting D'Amato..).
1rst: Tell me how you KNOW (not believe) that D'Amato sells these things without authorization.
2nd: Selling CDs you already paid for is not piracy. They don't seem to be illegal CDs either. I don't know where you got the idea that they're not legal.
3rd: OO does the same thing (sell things that have the symbol or representation of Olivia on them) in their "Sales" section, in "Club Sales".
How do you know they're any more legal than D'Amato's?
By the way, this is more interesting than your ridiculous rants about Kate.
But still insufficient i'm afraid.
(post from above)
FIrst:I Know King Lunatic D'amato does not have authorazation to sell these items becauase as King Lunatic D'amato rants all the time that Olivia's managment company wants nothing to do with him.The only reason they are alllowing this is because he's so insignificant they probably don't realize he's selling these items.Till now...... as i am now making them aware of the items he's selling illegally
2nd:Selling Cd's you already paid for is not Piracy.You are 100% right.That only applies to legal cd's and DVD's That an artist released.OLIVIA NEVER RELEASED THE 82 CONCERT ON DVD DUMB ASS.Therefore King Lunatic D'amato is selling bootleg material .GOT IT DUMB ASS.
3rd :OO does sell items in there club section but it's only drawings of Olivia which is legal.Also they just use the name Olivia not the full name of Olivia newton John which is copy righted.At the stalker site Forever and Always they are selling items with her PHOTOGRAPH and FULL NAME both of which are ILLEGAL.
And Once again i never ranted about Mrs . Chebacca (Kate).I just stated a fact that anyone that follows Olivia's tour bus is a STALKER.That wookie certainly Qualify's.
But is F&A selling the original VHS copyright or bootleg copies?
Yes they are.They are selling the 1982 concert on DVD.That was NEVER released legally on DVD.They are selling Bootlegs.
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We really need to stop the copying and pasting from OO. What they is their buisness. We need to work on our own club.
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Here we have the stalker Kate posting that her fellow stalker members should stop copying from OO.Meanwhile she is the chief culprit in reading the OO mesageboard for news and then posting it on the stalker site of F&A.Every post she makes about Olivia news she gets from OO.She's always just a little bit behind.Sort of like how she's alway's just a little bit behind Olivia's tour bus.
Helloooooooooooooo,Mr. D'amato , where are you?????????I know your reading this.Why are you selling bootleg Olivia dvd's on your site if your so anti music copying???You rant on and on about other sites shareing illegal material but your worse, you SELL it.Don't hide Mr.D'amato or are you in the car with Kate stalking other celebrities?
Can you post a link where we can see this DVD he is selling? You are right the 82 concert was never released on DVD. If he is selling it, I am astounded at his hypocrisy. I bet he yanks it off there when he reads all this.
And yes you are right. OO sells images they made themselves. Not any actual copyrighted material.
Don't waste your time, he's selling a VHS tape, not a DVD.
http://alwaysolivia.com/oscommerce/index.php?cPath=3&osCsid=fb0e3ace09682566d58e4df77b074126 here's the link where he is selling the DVD for $29.00 $
http://alwaysolivia.com/oscommerce/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=fb0e3ace09682566d58e4df77b074126 Here's the link where King Lunatic D'Amato is selling post cards and magazines from Las Vegas that were given away free.Talk about ripping off fellow Olivia fan's.
Actually, the concert DVD for $29.00 is official. It was released in Korea on DVD. I am not sure however that release was region free as that ad stipulates. That is not a bootleg. It was only released in korea on dvd.
However, seeling the 20th Century Masters DVD collection for $11.00, when you ca buy it retail for $5.00 is ripping people off. I don't think this is really F&A's site selling this stuff. He is just linking to some store. I can't imagine him having all this stuff in his own possession/stock since he doesn't even attend concerts.
To the F& A Troll who says it's a vhs video and not a DVD.That's total bull**** because as you can clearly see by this link below the Vhs video had a completly different cover picture.So let's just say it clearly King Lunatic D'Amato is selling bootleg material on his website.It's like everything else he rants about, there's one set of rule's for everyone else and a different set of rules for him.Oh wait maybe it says on this letter from Olivia's lawyer that he can sell bootleg material.Nahhhhhhh i don't think so. here's the link of the cover of the vhs http://www.onlyolivia.com/visual/videos/livevid.html
I don't think this is really F&A's site selling this stuff. He is just linking to some store. It's still on his site so he condone's it.I don't care if he's the middle man or not.There's no way that crap belongs on an Olivia fan club site.
Plus F&A would need a license to distribute that material and we all know ONJ management would never grant that to him.
If you want an official copy of the Korean concert DVD, you can buy official copies on Ebay and Amazon for under $20.00.
Please don't give your money to any site that supports F&A. I would be curious, if Bill does get a cut for any of this material since he is linked to the store. He claims everything goes to charity. Although he has never shown receipt of his "charity donation"
He also claims he gives to the cancer enter and CHEC, yet neither one can supply any history of any donations in that name.
Actually, the concert DVD for $29.00 is official. It was released in Korea on DVD. There is no way that that is an offically licensed product from Olivia.She does'nt get dime 1 from that.It's no different than the recent Japan concert that you see all over ebay.Just because it comes from another country does'nt mean it's official and Olivia is getting her royalties that she deserves.
You need to do some research, it was officially released and licensed in Korea on DVD.
Also that VHS copy on that store is official from MCA. It was the first version released. SO I don't get your point? No, F&A should not be allowed to sell this stuff. But those are true copies.
And yes I am 100% against him selling the postcards and tour guides for profit. It is sickening to hear him spout off about how she is a has been and blah blah then turn aroound and sell her stuff on his site.
But as far as the videos, you have nothing valid there, other than he shouldn't be selling her official stuff. because those are official items.
sorry i stand corrected about the dvd.What about the postcards and magazines that were free from las vegas.What about the items they are selling with her full name and photographs?
Ok you F&A TROLL What about the postcards and magazines that were free from las vegas.What about the items they are selling with her full name and photographs?
http://alwaysolivia.com/oscommerce/product_info.php?products_id=43&osCsid=930a7d2fc658aacece6c9e2445cc2d87 looks like it says dvd .where do you see that it says vhs
I didn't see any postcards, but if it's to raise money (and besides it costs to expedite things) then it might be ok, if it's memorabilia.
It's not because it was free then that it has to free now.
For the dvd thing:
The dvd you're talking about is sold on amazon.com, so it's likely not illegal, right?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BG0PDA/qid=1152831632/sr=8-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-4994543-3028145?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130
I was talking about another item: (the VHS)
http://alwaysolivia.com/oscommerce/product_info.php?cPath=3&products_id=44&osCsid=930a7d2fc658aacece6c9e2445cc2d87
The dvd is official but pure crap as far as quality. for example, the opening montage is not even on there, but included as an "extra feature"
just because it is on Amazon doesn't mean it is official. Anyone can post items for sale on Amazon.
Well, it doesn't mean it's illegal either..
I didn't say it was.
As you can see, Amazon does not sell it directly. It is sold through sellers.
ONJ mousepad for $20.00?
You can have those made at any photo store for about $8.00
Seems someone is feeding the monkey
Well, then, i don't understand why some people keep getting onto F&A's case about this other than because they want to knock down F&A.
Because OO (the heroes it would seem on this thread) also does illegal things. Or at least they probably do..
Scanning and publishing on the net magazine articles is an infrigement of copyright. You're not supposed to do something wich could negatively affect the sales of magazine, newspapers, etc.
Unless you have the permission to do so.
I'm guessing (i could be wrong) that many of these magazine articles (including recent ones) may not have been published with proper permission..
Of course i could be wrong, but they get put up on the site so quickly..
I'm sure F&A isn't that bad after all.
Especialy not the regular members, but that's another story...
Hi. If a newspaper is printed up, it is usually for one day's news and sales. After having bought it and scanned it to a website. WHich wouldn't be done til the next day. How would this affect sales negatively? If the paper had already gone off news stands. If it is done after the fact. As for magazines, I don't know. I am not so sure it makes any impact on sales.
I think scanning a magazine article is innocent compared to mass production of things with Olivia's actual pictures and siganture like the clocks, mousepads, mugs etc.
Although I do like the various coffee mugs to be found here and there. I actually like the stuff in the OO store.
Well it's the law in general.
I know you have a good example with the newspaper, don't know what they'd say about that. But a lot of magazine articles have been published on OO, the complete thing (text, pic, etc...), and a weekly or monthly publication doesn't become so obsolete after one day.
Even then, they often offer to send you copies of former issues for a price. Not for free.
OO has often done this within a matter of days.
Very recent articles being published.
So that you don't have to buy the magazine to get the article.
I don't even mean to bash on OO. I'm just tired of people bashing on F&A, as if they were particularly terrible.
That's all, really.
The magazines might not find that so innocent!
Whatever, i'm not bashing either site. I just don't like how one was the victim of vitriolic attacks.
It's members made fun of and practicaly called psychos.
That was unfair.
Well, F&A if you read the site, bashes OO on a daily basis. Long before this blog was ever posted. You can go there now and see where they copied and pasted entire threads from OO and then make fun of the people. That has been going on since the site was established. You don't see threads posted on OO that bash F&A. If they don't want to be attacked, they need to stop the constant OO bashing they have done from day one. Nobody here has even admitted doing any of this in the name of OO on this blog. people are attacking FA cause they have a nasty disposition. They make fun of Sean Nylon, Chloe, Del Shores, Emerson Newton-John. Yes it is true, they constantly degrade those people as well as OO. They are slanderous and they are going to get in big trouble one of these days. This blog is nothing compared to it. One of those people, like Del Shores or Emerson will had enough of Bill's tongue and do something about it.
Anyways,I have a weird affection for collecting coffee mugs, don't ask why. So I get a kick out of the various mugs on both sites.
Yep, from the very first day that F&A was opened. It started bashing OO from day one, calling them thieves and liars. Why don't you people comment or defend that behavior? they are like a bunch of babies. They pull hair, but when it gets done back to them, they cry "no fair".
I am sick of all of this and I have made my last comment here.
You have to consider, why is it that 99% of people, including Sean Nylon, Del Shore, ONJ management etc, have the same opinion of F&A, they are rotten and nasty and will be ignored.
I've read F&A a lot. I know the founder has some serious beefs with OO, but from everything i've read, he seems to have a point.
For example someone from OO (according to him and others) have circulated the rumor that he had been banned from attenting Olivia concerts following an indecent act (he denies) that he would have commited.
I'm not there with him in California but i believe him when says that he still goes to Olivia concerts and no one bars him.
I don't agree with everything he says (i've often criticized him on his own site) but he seems, in the end, to be a loyal Olivia fan
Sometimes raising some (understandable) questions about her, but remaining otherwise faithful.
And certainly encouraging his members to help promote Olivia, not harm her career.
The rest are his rants and charges against people he feels are doing more harm than good to Olivia.
He may seem over the top to some, but doesn't seem to be a bad bloke in the end. ;-)
As to the copyright stuff, well that's another area.
I don't know how "guilty" or not he is about this and that, but it doesn't necessarily put into question his dedication to Olivia.
We don't know the whole story on that, so i don't judge for the moment.
Heck, your posts are a lot more reasonable than what's been happening here recently!
The change is almost creepy..
At least F&A dosen't treat fans like crap.
About calling OO people thieves and liars, he didn't say that for everyone (naturaly...).
He has some individuals in mind, including some of the management.
But from everything i've read from him, it seems quite probable that some of the top OO people have been pretty nasty or unfair with him.
And others (F&A members) would have experienced the lying, slander or at least malicious rumors, etc. from some OO members.
It's too long to go over here, but it seems quite probable that it really happened.
It doesn't seem unfounded at all. So naturaly, he's going to talk about it if he is being cast out unfairly by the people he wanted to support.
And if the situation goes on.
It's not crying like a baby. If everything (or most of it) is true, he is being treated pretty badly.
And the very fan club wich would have treated him like crap, gets all the privileges.
Anybody would have beefs with that until the situation was resolved.
I think he may be making things harder for himself by lacking a certain diplomacy, but he seems to have a case.
His rants seem pretty justified.
I don't see how any rational person can say his rant's are justified.He constantly rambles on about OO's membership numbers , yet his own club has less than 40 members after over 5 years.Besides being foolish to go down that road when his own club has so few members , Don't you think there are reasons why that club has problems attracting members.With the top reason being Most Olivia fans want nothing to do with his negative attitude towards OO, Olivia's managment and even Olivia herself.
Maybe he shouldn't make his rants public like that (not as often anyway) but i don't think that the content of what he says is so wrong.
To a large extent it seems based in facts.
Of course the negativity, drama must have turned a lot of people away.
But you have to understand that his stance is that of someone who feels that Olivia isn't that well surrounded, and he denounces that regularly.
He's not interested in quietly admiring Olivia and trivial chit-chatting. He feels there are some serious enough problems to deal with and wants to do something about it.
The rants express what he feels is wrong and they are a part of his reason for setting up his website..
And he's trying to get others to support him and collaborate with him in promoting and helping Olivia do better (than what she's getting. Because of what he thinks is poor management).
He just cares a lot what happens to her.
His rants aren't mostly about OO.
They're more general but if OO does something wich he feels is questionable, he'll mention it.
It's not about numbers. It's about many more important issues.
Most of the time it's about how Olivia is under-promoted and generaly not well managed (his opinions, i'm not automaticaly endorsing them. Just correcting what you're saying about numbers).
He has strong opinions about certain things and expresses them.
He's a pro-active fan. Very involved.
His rants aren't mostly about OO.....................You have got to be kidding me.Your obviously not willing to discuss the problems of F&A and why they can't attract members with that statement.
Most of the time it's about how Olivia is under-promoted and generaly not well managed ..............However when he discuss's things about her managment and says he could do a better job it comes across as a stalker mentality that only he can save Olivia from what ever problems he perceives she has.She's obviously happy with her managment but he can't seem to accept that.
He's not interested in quietly admiring Olivia and trivial chit-chatting.(post from above)......................................This statement basically tells F&A's problem.Most fan clubs want to just admire the celebrity and chit - chat as you call it .Most fans would rather do exactly that as opposed to the constant negativity spewed out on the F&A site. The numbers don't lie.I repeat why is membership so low at the F&A site other than most people don't agree with his opinions and don't want to deal with all the negativity.
Quoting F&A: I also know they have lied about European tours that were never supposed to happen which has alienated Olivia's European fans because they blame Olivia not the source of the lie (OO).
The source of the 'lie' about Olivia's European tour came from an interview given by Olivia in DNA magazine in December 2002:
http://www.onlyolivia.com/memorabilia/mags/2002/0212au_dna_2.html
"I think I'm going to tour Australia and the UK next year to promote this album" - referring to (2)
Working link to DNA article is:
here
That didn't work either, the full link (paste as one line) is:
http://www.onlyolivia.com/
memorabilia/mags/2002/
0212au_dna_2.html
Those of you who say that we're unwilling to discuss the true problems, etc.
1rst: That's Bull..you seem to twist everything around constantly. It's difficult to believe you really are interested in discussion.
2nd: BUT..if you are interested, go to the F&A site, and talk with the founder (and others).
It's free, it's easy to register, should be a piece of cake.
Do it if you're really interested in discussing and are sure of what you're saying.
Much better than here. This a place to discuss an article by reporters, not to for 2 groups to battle.
There is no discussing anything there. There is only one opinion that matters and that is the founder. He even tells his posters how to behave and think.
Don't try that. You can talk all you want and if you make good points they'll be recognised. But you have to understand what's being told, also..
Me I'm tired of this thread you know why? Because you (however many you might be) do the very same thing you accuse the founder of F&A of doing:
There's only one opinion, wich you never change despite all the good points that are brought to you.
And despite all the lame points you've made.
Otherwise you go there and explain yourselves.
If you make good points, i'll back you up. And not just me. Not everybody agrees with him.
The ball is in your camp.
Yesterday and today are the first times I have commented on it. You seem to think it is the same poster repeatedly. I am not the person who is repeatedly talking about kate/stalking issue, which is getting tedious.
I did say there could be more than one person. That was really an invitation to all the ones who oppose him.
Anyway, go to F&A (and invite others).
Hassle him with questions and facts if you like. It's easy and free.
He may argue a lot but if you communicate your ideas well, you might score a few points.
It would probably help him have a better idea of what others think.....
No thanks. I have seen his tactics and his long term slandering of others. I am not going to be associated with that venom.
I'm going to stay away from this thread so in closing (unless something really interesting pops up), would you mind telling me if you're part of any fan club?
The ones discussed here or any other.
Just a curiosity, not asking for details.
In any case, even if you choose to remain discreet about that, take care
Ciao!
Those of you who say that we're unwilling to discuss the true problems, etc.
1rst: That's Bull..you seem to twist everything around constantly. It's difficult to believe you really are interested in discussion.
2nd: BUT..if you are interested, go to the F&A site, and talk with the founder (and others).
It's free, it's easy to register, should be a piece of cake.
Do it if you're really interested in discussing and are sure of what you're saying.
Much better than here. This a place to discuss an article by reporters, not to for 2 groups to battle.
No true Olivia fan want's anything to do with your site.That is the ONLY reason why you have less than 40 members after over 5 years.They see how there is so much negativity about so many different subjects and want nothing to do with the lunatic that runs it.Numbers don't lie.
And there's no negativity on the OO site? Hmmmmmmmmm wrong country boy, there has been arguments but they were deleted so that the public would not view them.
sure there are arguments on OO.But it's just among people.Not like the whining king Lunatic D'amato does everyday with his jealousy of OO.This is the same ass that tried to make fun of oo's charity drive for Olivia's hospital in Austrailia.You know how many people donated in F&A's charity drive?Three!!!!!What a loser
Arguments? Mere arguments on OO?
Some things have been mentioned on this thread that if true, are pretty serious..
And what about this: OO members being pretty nasty with other OO folk..(scroll down a bit).
Olivia should be proud.
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Well i see king luatic d'amato is reading these post's here and commenting on them on his stalker site forever and always.However, after reading these post's he STILL has not said anything about his board moderator Kate following that tour bus.He always says people make up things about him and his site.Well this bus following is fact and he chooses to ignore it.What a shame..Yet in future months we will still be able to read the constant ramblings of "Why does Olivia and her management want nothing to do with us ?Well this whole episode is just one of many reasons.How about it Mr.D'amato, one last time ,Do you condone your board moderator following Olivia's tour bus?
I am not defending stalking a bus for miles, that is really weird. However what is the difference between that incident and members from OO hiding in the bushes near her tour bus and watching Olivia bring her dog out to go to the bathroom? Pathetic. That was posted on OO before. In my opinion, members of both clubs need to realize they are too old to act like they do and just unsubscribe from "Teen Beat" already.
You ask a legitimate question but i think you already know the answer.While both activities you mentioned are reprehensible.Only one is illegal and has the potential to hurt innocent people no matter how good your intentions are.Care to have a guess which activity that is.Now be honest ,i was.
Who said we were hiding in the bushes? We were across the street from her bus at a respectable distance waiting to get a glimpse of Olivia when she came out with her dog, Jack. My friend asked her a question about Jack...Olivia answered him...end of story. Meanwhile, a few minutes later, we see Kate and a few other fans running after Olivia to get an autograph. Actually, it was more like rushing her. Olivia then ran onto her bus. Whether she saw them or not, I do not know. But it was a pretty scary sight.
funny how the real story comes out.I'm sure Kate will have excuses for this too.She is living in denial.I don't blame Olivia for running into the bus when that unibrow came running toward her.The really sad part is Olivia isn't even safe ther as long as Kate keeps up her stalking behavior and follows the tour bus
Olivia's even less safe with liars, hypocrits and malicious people like you.
That is really scary stuff.
Kate is an angel compared to you (and is pretty good by any standard).
I don't think Olivia risks much with her.
With you however..
Vicki D'Amato just wrote the follwoing. Now I ask you, What are they standing up for? What is it they are fighting to make clear? I bet the rest of the world did not know there is a group out to "save" and "fight" for Olivia. Is Olivia Jesus? I told you, these people think Olivia is in some kind of peril. Read the following lunacy induced message taken from their website:
Well, someone is at it again. This time Kate, you are one of the focuses. I believe in what we are doing here enough to 'fight' until the picture becomes clear to everyone. I believe in Bill & ALL of you enough to stand up for what we are trying to do & what this club stands for. I only wish the rest of you guys would "fight for our love"................................
I can understand that for you a fan club is a casual affair, a recreation, nothing to get serious about.
I respect that. I feel the same way actually.
But if some people are much more knowledgeable about Olivia, show business, etc. and that they think that she isn't getting such a good deal with her present managers and some of the people she surrounds herself with, what does it do to you that they try to help her in whatever way they can?
I've had my issues with the founder of F&A about this. I also argued: what are you doing? How do you know she needs or wants your help at all? maybe she's fine the way she is.
He has his own ideas about this and he evidently knows the business much better than i do. So i don't know how to answer the question, but i'd suggest you talk it out with him on his site (not here, we're not supposed to be here to talk about anything else than the article from Tabloïd Baby).
Me, while i still wonder how pertinent his entire endeavor is, am willing to give him the benefit of doubt. He's coherent and rational (yes he is, don't start your irrational jokes).
So maybe he knows what he's doing.
At any rate he's far from the lunatic you people caricature him as.
Try explaining yourself calmly and reasonably with him. You might be pleasantly surprised at some of the points he makes.
He's coherent and rational (yes he is, don't start your irrational jokes).........I take issue with the above statement.Rational? 1)Read the poem he has written about Olivia on his site.He thinks it'shis destiny to be with hersomeday.2)This letter he keeps ranting about from Olivia's lawyer.Yes i beleive he has a letter but the threats he keeps making about lawsuits is not rational.This letter he has from her lawyer supposedly states that Olivia does'nt support any fan club.Well i'm sure this letter is dated.maybe on that date she did'nt support any fan club.But to think it's a crime on a later date that Olivia then chooses to start supporting a fan club is definatly not rational.3) To keep on bringing up Only Olivia's membership numbers when his own club has less than 40 members after 5 years is NOT rational.4)To constantly rant about Only Olivia like he does and than when his own board moderator brags about following Olivia's tour bus and then he says nothing to denounce this kind of behavior does not add xalidity to his rants about OO.5)To constantly whine about people stealing from Olivia and then he sells out of his fan club store FREE items that were given away in Las Vegas is not rational.6)He has had many rude arguments with Olivia's management.To then expect them to work with him is NOT rational..........There i have put out these points calmly as you suggested.However i want nothing to do with his site for the reasons i stated above.Let's not debate where it should be posted.The facts don't change. Debate them here.You said he's rational.I have given you FACTS why he's not.Now what do you say?
8:38 poster You are trying to recruit people to his site. No way do I want my info on his members list. He is not rational, his rantings are insane, for example he keeps insisting on the 800 number even when he is told where to look for his error. His "lie" about why he was thrown off of OO. And trust me there is a very good reason. He is not telling both sides of the story. Do you really think OO would simply kick someone out for complaining they didn't get a newsletter? Come on, you try to say you are rational and intelligent, then use those 2 assets and think clearly.
HE THREATENED SOMEONE and that will NOT Be tolerated. Now get your head out of his ass.
I know Mr.D'amato is reading this thread.He just posted on his site how his 6 members should fight against these "lies".Well why don't you practice what you preach Mr. D'Amato i still see you don't have the time to answer those 6 points in the above post but you still have time to bash OO yet again with your false claims and lies.You just keep digging your own grave , no orginization wants to work with you because your just not stable.Once again until you can answer those 6 points i asked all your rants are falling on deaf ears.
Try explaining yourself calmly and reasonably with him. You might be pleasantly surprised at some of the points he makes........Well i tried it your way and his silence here is not surprising ,it's what i expected.Yet he still has time to use foul language on his hate site.
POST FROM VICKI ON F&A SITE
Vicki
Joined: 09 Sep 2005
Posts: 180
Location: Seattle
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:02 am Post subject:
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Guess they didn't know about me calling Olivia my mom. Geez I lost my freekin mind & even Special Agent William Mellot allowed me the room Olivia gave me. That was the room to get my memory back the only way I felt was safe. I was only safe in O's web, & just like the song said I could Talk to Her. Even sat on that white couch with the tears on the left cushion from the dogs picking at it.
Go ahead & chew on that one for awhile OO.
OH MY FREAKIN GOD.............BE AFRAID............BE VERY AFRAID
7/18/2006 4:58 PM
OK, the main problem with this jerk is that he is infuriating members of F & A and also OO at the same time. He stated harassing personal members of F & A by telling lies then he starts harassing Bill about F & A. Why happened, did you get kicked off the board or dropped from the message board so you are getting back at F & A now?
Then he attacks Kate and keeps saying she is a stalker. I think somewhere down the line, Kate is the kind of girl that you apparently could not date in school or snumbed you later in life. Is Kim or Kris also the types of girls that maybe told you to go "jerk off" someplace else. After you stalked them for awhile?
You apparently have a problem with women in general, called hating them.
Almost everyone of your attacks are on female posters on both fan club boards, what gives?
lt me see if I can answer the second part first. They can say anything they want, but where is their proof? WHO did I threaten? The fact that they don't BELIEVE that OO would ever kick someone out of their fan club because of something THEY did wrong (Like not replacing that newsletter) shows how insanely brainwashed they are.
Well, guess what, I have kept all the hard correspondance I got from Richard Mudhar, INCLUDING the letter I got from him throwing me out of the fan club because according to him, I LIED about getting my newsletter and he "KNOWS FOR A FACT", I got mine. Since he didn't hand it to me personally how could he "know for a fact" I got anything? It got LOST IN THE MAIL. I was perfectly willing to accept that. All I wanted was a replacement. He REFUSED to do that much for a fan of Olivia.
I really don't want to have to go digging through boxes of stuff to find these things, but I will if these idiots insist on being assholes.
Now to answer the other ridiculous statements they made.
1. "Read the poem he has written about Olivia on his site.He thinks it'shis destiny to be with hersomeday."
Someone needs to learn how to use a space bar apparently. I wrote that poem, SO WHAT? Where the hell in that poem does it say anything that it is my destiny to be with her? Olivia sang Physical, does that mean she wants to have sex with EVERYONE she sings it to? Grow up.
2. "This letter he keeps ranting about from Olivia's lawyer.Yes i beleive he has a letter but the threats he keeps making about lawsuits is not rational.This letter he has from her lawyer supposedly states that Olivia does'nt support any fan club.Well i'm sure this letter is dated.maybe on that date she did'nt support any fan club.But to think it's a crime on a later date that Olivia then chooses to start supporting a fan club is definatly not rational."
Why are threats about lawsuits pertaining to discrimination IRRATIONAL, since this is EXACTLY the issue here? How many lawsuits have I actually filed against her? NONE. Matter of fact HER ATTORNEY threatened to sue ME because I continued to catch HIM in a lie. My response to him was to go for it because that way I could put all my evidence of his misreputation of Olivia out in public AND in front of Olivia. The coward ran back into his hole and NEVER came out again because he KNOWS I have all the proof I need.
The answer to the second part which I did already answer before: "Well i'm sure this letter is dated.maybe on that date she did'nt support any fan club.But to think it's a crime on a later date that Olivia then chooses to start supporting a fan club is definatly not rational."
Of course this letter is dated. I recieved it AFTER Olivia's Back With A Heart CD was released. On THAT CD is the WEB ADDRESS AND CONTACT ADDRESS OF ONLY OLIVIA. The point is that CD was RELEASED BEFORE that letter is dated, therefore their argument that Olivia changed her policy AFTER I got that letter is a crock. Also that couldn't have been done WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE for legal reasons, so he got caught in still another lie. He also stated that as soon as Olivia's OFFICIAL WEBSITE was on line, (Feb. 2000), INDEPENDENT FAN CLUBS, (That means YOU OO and also us) would no longer get information BEFORE the OFFICIAL SITE. Everyone knows that isn't true, is it?
I will bet any of you that if any one of you started a fan club for Olivia today, and tried to get her to support it you would be told EXACTLY the same thing I was told in 1998 right now in 2006.
What the real crime is here is how ignorant some of these people can be in trying to twist things to suit their own agendas.
3. "To keep on bringing up Only Olivia's membership numbers when his own club has less than 40 members after 5 years is NOT rational."
Actually, it is 8 years. This person obviously is no great intellect, is he? First of all, what does having 40 registered members on this messageboard have to do with anything at all? Can OO honestly claim that ALL 800 members in their fan club are registered on their messageboard? We all know that isn't true because I was never allowed there when I WAS a member and neither was Vicki. Also, how many fan club members have they BANNED from using their messageboard because the OO management didn't like what they posted? What if we had 2000 users on this messageboard? Does that mean we automatically have 2000 members of the fan club? In that case, wouldn't that make us bigger than OO so Olivia should be kissing our asses not theirs? So, again, it is ridiculous to equate messageboard members with fan club members. Even at that, just what would the magic number have to be before OO would acknowledge the existance of ANOTHER fan club? I don't think there is a number big enough for them to ever do that.
By the way, since we require a donation of $20 to one of Olivia's charities, if we had 2000 members, that would mean the ONJCC would get $40,000 PER YEAR from THIS group. That would make OO's meager $4000 a drop in the bucket, and they did that with 800 members ($5.00 each) which was a ONE TIME DEAL.
But to further elaborate, (that means to further explain to all you OO morons out there) my point in bring up that 800 member figure is even WITH support of Olivia and her management AND with the ability to offer pre-sales, meet and greets and back stage passes (which again come from her management) they STILL can only get 800 people to join. With the support they get from Olivia, they should have thousands of fans NOT 800.
4. "To constantly rant about Only Olivia like he does and than when his own board moderator brags about following Olivia's tour bus and then he says nothing to denounce this kind of behavior does not add xalidity to his rants about OO."
First of all, what the hell does "xalidity" mean? Again, this person shouldn't be criticizing my poem because he is certainly no scholar himself.
Secondly, what harm did Kate do? Did she impede (that means stop OO people) the bus from getting anywhere? Did she run the bus off the road? Did she follow it until it stopped and then stormed after Olivia? Nope. I would take that any day over a fan who FAKES an illness (cancer) to get a backstage pass from Olivia and then INVITES Olivia to stay at her house, or fans who literally travel all over the country to be where Olivia is and even manage to attend functions she is at. Those are the people Olivia needs to fear not some 20 year old fan who idolizes her.
This is obviously a tactic by OO to take the spotlight off of them for doing what they do.
5. "To constantly whine about people stealing from Olivia and then he sells out of his fan club store FREE items that were given away in Las Vegas is not rational."
This entire statement is irrational. Who cares if I sell items I got for free or anyone who was there could get for free? The fact is EVERYBODY WASN'T there so, everybody COULDN'T get them. Is anyone being FORCED to buy these things? How is this "stealing" from Olivia? She wasn't selling these things either. That is quite different then burning Olivia CDs and DVDs and SELLING THEM on E-BAY where MANY OO MEMBERS go to either BUY or SELL this illegal music, which DIRECTLY affects her income.
6. "He has had many rude arguments with Olivia's management.To then expect them to work with him is NOT rational..........There i have put out these points calmly as you suggested.However i want nothing to do with his site for the reasons i stated above.Let's not debate where it should be posted.The facts don't change. Debate them here.You said he's rational.I have given you FACTS why he's not.Now what do you say?"
When did I ever state I had many rude arguments with Olivia's management? I have NEVER spoken with them face to face. I have NEVER gotten a response to ANY letter I have ever written to them. The written responses I got were from her attorney and they were after honest and respectful letters I had written first. The only time I ever got a response from her management was when I e-mailed Anita Heilig inquiring about Olivia's policy of taking pictures at her concerts. I simply asked for her to clarify it so I could pass it on to all her fans because there seems to be an inconsistancy as to who is allowed to take pictures and who isn't and that wasn't fair to fans. She could have just answered the question. Instead she choose to INSULT every Olivia fan out there by saying, "The fair is in Pomona. Life isn't fair." For those of you who do not know, the Los Angeles County Fair is held every year at the Pomona Fair Grounds in the city of Pomona, CA.
I am not sure what any of this has to do with this fan club. How does any of this make this fan club invalid? It is a personal attack on me. What they are bringing up is petty at best. Most of these issues I HAVE answered in the past and I will NOT answer them again.
I really think you people need to grow up because the impression you are giving people is that Olivia's fans are unintelligent morons who will do or say anything to attack another fan they don't agree with. Since fans are supposed to be a reflection of her, what kind of impression does this make about Olivia if this is the kind of people she attracts as fans? Tabloid Baby is the one who is anti-Olivia and all of you are just helping to prove their point that Olivia is not a nice person because look who she attracts as fans. If you were smart, you would all shut up and act civilized to dispell any rumors about Olivia's integrity. But I guess "smart" is not a word many of you are familiar with.
Anyway thanks for the chance to prove what unintelligent, brainless, thoughtless, petty, deceiptful, lying, classless morons some of you are. Olivia should be really proud of the display you put on and how well you defended HER from Tabloid Baby.
"Yeah about that "poem" or "song" or whatever he calls it. You forgot to mention that he mailed it to Olivia and she sent it back, return to sender, and it wasn't even opened. That gives you a clue of what Olivia thinks of him."
Excuse me? When did I ever say this was mailed to Olivia and returned? It was sent to her management as a GIFT for Olivia along with many other songs on a MUSIC CASSETTE. Most songs were songs she either wrote or sang and were ALL instumentals. (That means NO words, OO members.) This was done as a tribute to her. Kind of like that OO member who gives her a HOMEMADE Candle at EVERY SHOW she attends. I don't hear anyone calling HER a stalker, do I, or the one who always gives her a stuffed animal? Oops, I forgot. OO members CAN'T be stalkers, can they? Only F&A members can be.
"Remember: Our first issue of TOTALLY HOT OLIVIA E-NEWS hits the internet on June 1st. It will contain news and photos of Olivia. This will be ONLY available via e-mail and will be issued monthly. Anyone can get it but you must sign up to receive it. If you DON'T sign up, you WON'T get it.
Also VERY IMPORTANT we are also looking for "reporters" to help with the bulletin. To sign up to receive the e-letter or to become part of the Olivia-news team, contact Kate at Kate@alwaysolivia.com"
Wow this was a provacative issue. I am sure this will prove once and for all that everyone at F&A is a stalker. Don't you people have anything better to do that to make Olivia look bad by the idiotic way you people act? God, what morons some of you are. Again, I am glad that you find this MORE important than defending Olivia. Maybe if some of you subscribed to that newsletter you might learn how real fans act because it is obvious you aren't learning anything at OO at how to support Olivia and treat other fans.
"Kate,
We are going to keep doing what we do and they can just shove their bullshit back up their asses where it came from.
Again, can OO prove anything they are saying except that Kate followed Olivia's bus one time? (post from D'amato's website)........................................Finally admission from the King Lunatic D'amato on his website that one of his members has followed Olivia's tour bus.Too bad he does'nt say anything remotely condeming it.I guess that kind of behavior is encouraged over there.Of course the language the founder and president uses in his first sentence is beyond decency.It's there for the minors to read on his website but i'm sure the gutless weasel will delete it soon. Not the kind of language you want to see from a president of a fan club but reading his stalker poem's and rantings i can't say i'm surprised."
Well, since you like to cut and paste (apparently you like to cut more than paste.) Let's put the entire message here for people see what I REALLY said.
"Kate,
They are reading EVERY post on here. Don't let it bother you. We are going to keep doing what we do and they can just shove their bullshit back up their asses where it came from.
Remember that what they are doing is probably the stupidest thing they could ever do. They always bragged how OO NEVER attacked us in public. Well, not only are they attacking us in public they are getting caught in their own lies because it is becoming very obvious that NO ONE believes anything they are saying about us accept those that will support OO until the day it dies. They are making themselves look like the fools that are and they are doing in a place that people close to Olivia can see it for themselves. We don't have to send a letter to Olivia or her management to make the aware of what OO is doing. It is right out there for them to see. And they are NOT in a position where they can just delete the thread and lie about it never happening. They are doing this on a site THEY CAN'T CONTROL. That makes them even more stupid.
Again, can OO prove anything they are saying except that Kate followed Olivia's bus one time? Of course not. Can I prove the things I said about them? YOU BET. That is what gives us legitimacy and makes they look like fools. Her real fans are seeing that quite clearly."
So, the gutless weasel seems to have more guts than you because I am willing to put the ENTIRE contents of the post out there. By the way, you seem to confuse us with OO. They are the gutless weasels who delete posts they don't like. Try getting your head out of you ass (yes, I said a naughty word) and get your facts and you cut and pastes straight.
Also since you seem to have the intelligence of a 3 year old and you certainly write like one, it's MR. D'Amato to you.
Well I see D'Amato finally got up the nerve to answer my questions. Let me reply to his attempts at answering them one at a time.A word of caution ,he tries changing the subject on most of them and never really answers each question.Also let me thank Liv Fan from his message board for finally calling him out to try and get him to answer these questions......1. "Read the poem he has written about Olivia on his site.He thinks it'shis destiny to be with hersomeday."
Someone needs to learn how to use a space bar apparently. I wrote that poem, SO WHAT? Where the hell in that poem does it say anything that it is my destiny to be with her? Olivia sang Physical, does that mean she wants to have sex with EVERYONE she sings it to? Grow up.
Ok first off he tries to change the subject by picking on my typing skills.I'm guilty as charged .Let me say i'm not the world's best typer.However what i lack in typing skills i more than make up for in common sense.So i don't think that's a road you want to go down.Your a little deficent there.To refresh everyone's memory here is the poem you wrote. For You
VERSE 1
For you, the very sun rises in the morning.
It shines in all its glory, just for you.
Your beauty is endless and your body is magic.
Of all the wonders of the world, you are the grandest.
CHOURS 1
I would sail the sea, for a touch of your hand.
I would move the mountains, to hold you so tight.
I would defy the heavens, for a moment of you.
I would travel to the stars, to feel your kiss.
I would move the earth, to win your love.
I would do anything at all, For You.
VERSE 2
You are the mystery of all mysteries, I need to know.
Are you all the thngs I think you are?
This promise to you, I make willingly and freely.
You will never be alone, you will always be within me.
CHOURS2
I could sail the sea, with a touch of your hand.
I could move the mountains, while holding you tight.
I could defy the heavens, with a moment of you.
I could travel to the stars, as I feel your kiss.
I could move the earth, when I win your love.
I could do anything at all, For You.
......If you don't see how the whole content of this poem that you wrote does'nt go over the top and that Olivia and her security should be very concerned about you ,it is then useless to try and explain anything to you.You ask where in the HELL does it say it's my destiny to be with Olivia?right here in this line I could move the earth WHEN i win your love.WHEN????????????like it's a forgone conclusion in your mind this is definatly going to happen.That's where you claim it's your destiny.That's very creepy for the lack of a better word.I made these claims and i base it with FACTS.I will not dance around questions like you do.
"yeah that "soul mate" thing is super creepy.
Any why does that fansite insist all these posts are from the OO site? Don't they know this site has thousands of readers and millions of hits a month?
That guy Bill is very much the fixated-psycho."
Maybe the same psychic also told me that? Didn't someone else post it was OK to fantasize about gang raping some woman and didn't someone else find that better than Kate, following Olivia's bus for a few miles? Make up your mind is fantasizing about Olivia better than following her bus or isn't it? You folks really need to talk amoungst yourselves before you contradict each other.
I will say this that Olivia has done far worse with the people she has choosen to spend her life with than she would with anyone in F&A. It could be far worse. It could be with that child molester member of OO.
Here is the second question and his attemt to answer it:2. "This letter he keeps ranting about from Olivia's lawyer.Yes i beleive he has a letter but the threats he keeps making about lawsuits is not rational.This letter he has from her lawyer supposedly states that Olivia does'nt support any fan club.Well i'm sure this letter is dated.maybe on that date she did'nt support any fan club.But to think it's a crime on a later date that Olivia then chooses to start supporting a fan club is definatly not rational."
Why are threats about lawsuits pertaining to discrimination IRRATIONAL, since this is EXACTLY the issue here? How many lawsuits have I actually filed against her? NONE. Matter of fact HER ATTORNEY threatened to sue ME because I continued to catch HIM in a lie. My response to him was to go for it because that way I could put all my evidence of his misreputation of Olivia out in public AND in front of Olivia. The coward ran back into his hole and NEVER came out again because he KNOWS I have all the proof I need.
The answer to the second part which I did already answer before: "Well i'm sure this letter is dated.maybe on that date she did'nt support any fan club.But to think it's a crime on a later date that Olivia then chooses to start supporting a fan club is definatly not rational."
Of course this letter is dated. I recieved it AFTER Olivia's Back With A Heart CD was released. On THAT CD is the WEB ADDRESS AND CONTACT ADDRESS OF ONLY OLIVIA. The point is that CD was RELEASED BEFORE that letter is dated, therefore their argument that Olivia changed her policy AFTER I got that letter is a crock. Also that couldn't have been done WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE for legal reasons, so he got caught in still another lie. He also stated that as soon as Olivia's OFFICIAL WEBSITE was on line, (Feb. 2000), INDEPENDENT FAN CLUBS, (That means YOU OO and also us) would no longer get information BEFORE the OFFICIAL SITE. Everyone knows that isn't true, is it?
I will bet any of you that if any one of you started a fan club for Olivia today, and tried to get her to support it you would be told EXACTLY the same thing I was told in 1998 right now in 2006.
What the real crime is here is how ignorant some of these people can be in trying to twist things to suit their own agendas.
........................You ask the question"Why are threats about lawsuits pertaining to discrimination irrational since this is exactly the issue here.......IT's irrational because there is NO discrimination here.This is America ,Olivia can choose to associate with any group she wants to .Also she can choose NOT to work with any group she chooses to.That is the basis of your problem ,you think it's your right and she has to associate with you.She wants nothing to do with you and your club.Get over it , any RATIONAL person can see that's her right and she's not breaking any laws that would warrant any threats from you about lawsuits.Do you really think it's RATIONAL to stand up in court and say I want to sue Olivia Newton John because her lawyer sent me a letter that say Olivia does'nt support any club but now she support's the Only Olivia Fanclub.Do you really think any one would take you seriously and just say "So what"? I'm sure her attorney threatened to sue you just so you would GO AWAY, and not continue to take up his time with something so irrational.
"That so called fan club "forever and always "is a joke anyway.They have been around for 5 years and all they have is less than 40 members.Half of those are probably multiple alias's of that loon the founder and president."
The only way that would be possible is if YOU logged in several times. By the way, we started in 1998. That is EIGHT years, moron. (Use both hands if you need to count that high). Another WELL INFORMED post by an INTELLIGENT fan.
Does anyone find it strange that everyone who agrees with me is supposedly me and everyone who doesn't agree with me has to be different people? How stupid to think that out of millions of Olivia fans only I would think as I do. As I said just another well informed intelligent fan showing just how smart he is.
This is so easy it should be illegal.
"This makes Olivia look like a dishonest, egotistical, arrogant, heartless, unfeeling diva, who doesn't even have any respect for her own fans to acknowledge them."
Do I have to clean up behind all of you constantly? Now let me post this last 2 paragraphs the way I ACTUALLY wrote it and not the way this idiot cut and pasted it. Since you also posted the thread number, you made it easy for me and anyone else who is interested to read the truth, which is NOT what you posted. As you can see this post was addressing an issue with her management and again puts things in the proper TIME perspective. Pay particular attention to the LAST sentence. He didn't want you to read that part.
"Where we have not had success is when we have tried to deal with Olivia's management. That is not a product of any of the criticism I have given them on this messageboard or website. This is something started by her management from day one of the founding of this fan club. My criticism of them is BECAUSE of the way this fan club was treated from the beginning, their treatment of us is NOT a product of my criticism of her management.
Once again since they represent Olivia, organizations like Tabloid Baby, who are out to discredit Olivia, love this kind of stuff. Here is a fan club formed for their beloved Olivia who she and her management have willfully discriminated against, lied to, and refused to acknowledge in order to protect a fan club whose primary function appears to be to attack fans not in their fan club. What better way for TB to show that Olivia is a dishonest person with a lot of things to hide? Our treatment here, is just another thing being hidden by her management. And as you have put it, STILL continue to support OO even with the way they have attacked us. This makes Olivia look like a dishonest, egotistical, arrogant, heartless, unfeeling diva, who doesn't even have any respect for her own fans to acknowledge them. All of us know that is not true but it certainly gives that impression."
"D'Amato as you call him never denied anything, i just think he ignores your petty little rants..................Well first of all dumb ass , king lunatic d'amato is king of all ranting.just look at the length of his whining rants about OO.Second , King lunatic D'amato is responding to these posts on his stalker site Forever and always so he's doing apretty crappy job og ignoring me.Third, the only thing he is ignoring however is the question of Why does he condone his board moderator stalking Olivia?.I guess he's afraid of loseing someone who posts on his message board because that would bring his number of posters to "
Actually, I am afraid that if I say anything YOU might want to come to my board and start posting and that would be worse then being a member of OO. I am not doing a crappy job of ignoring you. You haven't said anything worth responding to.
"Is F&A really selling the 1982 concert? I think that is worth looking into, since it has never been released for sale in years since the original VHS/Beta formats."
Oh please do. When you find out the videos and DVDs ARE ALL legitimate make sure YOU post that here because I want EVERYONE to know what an HONEST person YOU are. Let's see if you are as willing to defend us for doing nothing wrong as you are to attack us for something you "think" and I use that term loosely, we are doing.
"2nd:Selling Cd's you already paid for is not Piracy.You are 100% right.That only applies to legal cd's and DVD's That an artist released.OLIVIA NEVER RELEASED THE 82 CONCERT ON DVD DUMB ASS"
If you bothered to look where it is located in the store you would see it CLEARLY is in the video section. But than again YOU would have to know how to read.
You might also like to check out a site called Cut to Black which has NOTHING but Olivia bootlegs and is sponsored almost exclusively by OO. While you are reporting things to Olivia's management you may want to include that site also. Afterall, I am SURE you would want to be fair about something like that.
As far as OO, you are worried about the cover of the product and not what is IN the product? The cover may be someone's dumb idea of what Olivia looks like but inside is the real thing. Pirated videos and music.
I would be more than happy to remove anything from the store Olivia would want me to remove. However, I will remove it at HER request and not at the request of some idiot hate monger who can't stand to see another group support Olivia.
By the way, I DO have all the things I claim to have in stock. I PAID for them in advance. What needs to be ordered is noted as such. When some of you think you are doing Olivia a favor by buying one CD, I buy 6. I have a perfect right to resell them and I have a perfect right to name my price. If you don't want to buy it, don't buy it. Otherwise, shut up and stop acting like a 3 year old.
One more thing, how do you know that money doesn't also go to her charities? Of course that would NEVER occur to you, would it?
"Hi. If a newspaper is printed up, it is usually for one day's news and sales. After having bought it and scanned it to a website. WHich wouldn't be done til the next day. How would this affect sales negatively? If the paper had already gone off news stands. If it is done after the fact. As for magazines, I don't know. I am not so sure it makes any impact on sales."
According to this U.S. copyright office it is ILLEGAL to reprint ANY magazine or newspaper article on ANY website, without the permission of the publisher. That includes day old newspaper articles. So, anything like that at OO IS illegal so how about attacking them for doing that?
"I think scanning a magazine article is innocent compared to mass production of things with Olivia's actual pictures and siganture like the clocks, mousepads, mugs etc.
Although I do like the various coffee mugs to be found here and there. I actually like the stuff in the OO store. "
If you are really concerned about this you should be contacting e-Bay concerning these things. You can find all of them there at any given time. So, before you start attacking me, make sure YOU apply the SAME standards to everyone else. Just because YOU might like a mug with Olivia's picture on it doesn't make it legal, as some of you say, so YOU have NO right to buy it. Let's not have a double standard here.
""I think I'm going to tour Australia and the UK next year to promote this album" - referring to (2)"
The key word here is THINK. There is a big difference between Olivia "thinking" she will tour the U.K. and Europe and actually doing it. I feel it was wrong for OO to make it look like Olivia has plans to tour Europe until there were actual tour dates. By doing things their way, they made OLIVIA look bad. That is what I object to.
She actually DID go to the U.K. She performed with Cliff Richard in a benefit concert. That is a far cry from a "tour."
"Well I see D'Amato finally got up the nerve to answer my questions. Let me reply to his attempts at answering them one at a time.A word of caution ,he tries changing the subject on most of them and never really answers each question.Also let me thank Liv Fan from his message board for finally calling him out to try and get him to answer these questions......1. "Read the poem he has written about Olivia on his site.He thinks it'shis destiny to be with hersomeday."
You know, you are a real ass. You got your answers and you didn't like what you read so now it is my problem? Sorry, Charlie. I don't know who you are nor do I really care. I do know as to most others here that you are a hateful, dishonest person who just lives to attack other Olivia fans. So, fine. I will no longer waste my time with a moron like you. Fans like you give Olivia a bad name, and any real fan of Olivia's should not associate with you. Bitch and moan all you want but I have no intention of responding to you again.
""I think I'm going to tour Australia and the UK next year to promote this album" - referring to (2)"
The key word here is THINK. There is a big difference between Olivia "thinking" she will tour the U.K. and Europe and actually doing it. I feel it was wrong for OO to make it look like Olivia has plans to tour Europe until there were actual tour dates. By doing things their way, they made OLIVIA look bad. That is what I object to.
She actually DID go to the U.K. She performed with Cliff Richard in a benefit concert. That is a far cry from a "tour."
My point is that OO did not lie about the European tour. They simply reported what was written in this article. It was always a 'possible' tour. There were never dates mentioned. The rumour itself that there was a possible tour came from Olivia's mouth. If some fans had more certain expectations than this and it got blown out of proportion on the message boards into something more concrete, then that is the fault of fans, not OO.
I'm not sure why you mention the fact that Olivia performed at the Royal Variety performance. This was 2 years after the above article was written. She also came to the UK in April 2005 to promote Indigo. Again this has nothing to do with tour rumours.
"What i do is point out how your F&A club is filled with hatefull deranged stalkers."
You DON'T point out anything. You're just trying to defame F&A altogether.
Your persistent misrepresentation of this site/club should lead you to be prosecuted.
You'd actually be lucky if that didn't happen to you.
First you want to sue Olivia and now you want to prosecute this guy for having an opinion? You are delusional.
Uh?
I don't want to sue Olivia! You're confused man!
And i'm not mr. D'Amato.
But you can't keep repeating demeaning crap, endlessly, without crossing the line into some form of abuse.
It's not just an opinion, it's a behaviour.
You people are going too far. And you twist quotes around and keep answering in ways wich make you sound like you're not honest or serious but instead are fooling around with people's minds.
No one's delusional Mr or Mrs. Stop while you're ahead.
If you all just quit feeding the troll, he will go away if he has nothing to respond to.
It's Miss. And I'm not involved in this. Just a casual observer. But it looks to me as if there is a battle of the egos going on. This may never end. Anyway, is this really worth it? We're talking about a fan club. This is a little bit silly.
It just keeps going in circles.
To "Miss" - 11:41 AM - it's not a battle of egos.
Some of us just hope that no one buys into that crap put forth by these awful individuals, who have no problem lying and twisting things around.
It's about over. Don't worry. We've had enough of these clowns! ;-)
why do the F&A Scumbags have to read the Only Olivia board?Well there's a couple of reasons.First thats the only way they can get information , which you almost have to pity them since Olivia's management want's nothing to do with them due to King Lunatic D'amato.It just cracks me up how Kate the stalker goes to OO's site and cut's and paste's away.The second reason they read our board is to get away from King Lunatic D'amato's Olivia bashing.You know how he get's on his ,i can run Olivia's career and personal life better than anybody weekly rant's.It's hysterical how he drones on and on how because she's a celebrity that entitles him to know EVERYTHING she does.What a bufoon.The F&A members also get tired of his rant's against OO.He spends more time worried about what 00 is doing than what he's doing.How do i know this?The dumb ass has less than 40 members after 8 years.In his warped mind that's 00's fault too.Of course it can't be all the negativity he spreads around.He's a great guy.LOL....Maybe if we all chip in for some rogaine for his chrome dome , he won't be so mad at the world.
7/21/2006 2:53 PM
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Well Olivia actually did invite us for tea. Roger Davies did give me a audition that day. Lee Kramer was actually at the gate with the dobermans. Let's see (you'll like this one) my psychiatrist Alistair Baron really is a friend of Olivia's. Joe really did drive me back to Glendale the night Matt & Liv were at the Beverly Hills Hotel due to the mudslides on PCH. Nancy really did watch television with me as I ate the food she prepared, that time I was 15. I could go on but I know this should give you plenty to critisize & mock. Really, I can't wait for 'your' response, oh yeah you actually deserve the "barf".....................P.S . John Mason I would really appreciate my recording back from you. I should never have used the address Olivia gave me that day. Had I known about the 'mentality' of most ONJ fans(at least the ones allowed to be heard) I would have just delivered it to the house myself. ................Here's another post from the delusional vicki from the forever and always site....Now i know the 2 reasons why they don't have fan club conventions.They can't get more than 6 people and it must be tough to rent padded rooms for lunatics like this.
7/23/2006 6:32 AM
looks like the coward from New Jersey is still fixated on Kate. Everyone reading this blog should know this guy, who is obsessing over Kate following a bus, is so mad about it, that he is sending her death threats.
Hey Mr. Coward why don't you tell us your OO identity?
are you too fat with your stubby little fat fingers to type it out?
ok fine .here's my identity.My name is Bill d'amato.I'm too much of a wuss to admit on my messageboard that my board moderator Kate screwed up by following Olivia's bus so i do it here.I just hope Kate does'nt do it again and Olivia stays safe.After all it's my destiny for Olivia and i to be together.While i'm here let me also apologise to OO for being such a horse's ass over the years.I have finally realised that all the problems that F&A has are all my fault and not oo's.
"ok fine .here's my identity.My name is Bill d'amato."
More like Bill Zulo I'd say.
I won't beleive for a second that you are Billd.
Sorry, it's me Bill D'Amato .I'm going to start acting human and only worry about my own club.I'm gonna stop being so bitter and childish and mabe if i'm good someday OO might let me back in.
"Anonymous said...
why do the F&A Scumbags have to read the Only Olivia board?Well there's a couple of reasons.First thats the only way they can get information , which you almost have to pity them since Olivia's management want's nothing to do with them due to King Lunatic D'amato."
And why do YOU go to a website where, in your opinion, the people there are all stakers and crazies? Are you maybe looking for a place that might accept you as a human being? Or maybe you think that YOU can do and go where ever you want but the F&A people can't do the same? Do I see some hipocracy here from you ONCE AGAIN?
If you don't like it at F&A DON'T GO THERE. Did I use words that were easy enough for you to understand? Maybe I should try to write this in crayon for you.
By the way, that poem of mine you CUT AND PASTED here. It IS copyrighted at the U.S. copyright office. Since you posted it here WITHOUT MY PERMISSION, you broke the law. Once again in your effort to show how smart you are, you managed to show what an idiot you are.
"ok fine .here's my identity.My name is Bill d'amato.I'm too much of a wuss to admit on my messageboard that my board moderator Kate screwed up by following Olivia's bus so i do it here.I just hope Kate does'nt do it again and Olivia stays safe.After all it's my destiny for Olivia and i to be together.While i'm here let me also apologise to OO for being such a horse's ass over the years.I have finally realised that all the problems that F&A has are all my fault and not oo's."
Obviously, this idiot isn't me. He has the grammer of a 2 year old. First of all, us educated people know that you ALWAYS start a sentence with a CAPITAL LETTER. (Those are the big letters like the ones I just used)
Second of all, you spelled MY name wrong. You don't even know the name of the person YOU are attempted to be.
Third, when using the pronoun "I"(you do know what a pronoun is, don't you?)it is ALWAYS CAPITALIZED. There is that nasty word again. It is "I" NOT "i".
Fourth, the word apologize is SPELLED wrong, IDIOT. It is NOT apologise.
Last, it is "OO" NOT "oo". Only Olivia is the proper name of a group. Since Only Olivia is capitalized so is OO. Olivia is a name it is ALWAYS capitalized.
These are simple grammer school mistakes that I would NEVER make so it can't possibly be me.
"My point is that OO did not lie about the European tour. They simply reported what was written in this article. It was always a 'possible' tour. There were never dates mentioned. The rumour itself that there was a possible tour came from Olivia's mouth. If some fans had more certain expectations than this and it got blown out of proportion on the message boards into something more concrete, then that is the fault of fans, not OO."
Valid point. However, OO, who thinks they are Olivia's mouth piece, should have not even brought it up or should have said there is no tour scheduled at that time. Instead, they couldn't wait to start a rumor which ended up making Olivia look bad yet again, because as you say, the words came out of her mouth.
OO did not do anything to discourage the rumor from taking hold and becoming a problem. They never came back with a disclaimer stating there was no scheduled tour. They also didn't bother to find out if there really was one being planned. Since all they would have to do is pick up the phone and call her management, they could have settled the problem right away. They instead choose to hang Olivia out to dry.
By the way, that poem of mine you CUT AND PASTED here. It IS copyrighted at the U.S. copyright office. Since you posted it here WITHOUT MY PERMISSION, you broke the law. Once again in your effort to show how smart you are, you managed to show what an idiot you are.
So are you gonna sue me after your done sueing Olivia & her management?LOL......Thought you were done here.I knew it would be too easy to get you back.Thanks for winning me that $20 bet..Oh and P.S...It's not against the law to post your poem since I performed a public service.I helped expose what a sick demented obsessed stalker that you are.
And why do YOU go to a website where, in your opinion, the people there are all stakers and crazies? Are you maybe looking for a place that might accept you as a human being? Or maybe you think that YOU can do and go where ever you want but the F&A people can't do the same? Do I see some hipocracy here from you ONCE AGAIN?
D'amato don't you get it yet??????????You ask , Why do we go to your site???????It's the humor buddy!!!WE laugh so hard at your lunatic rants and comment's.Just when you can't think it can't get any more comical you alway's top yourself.Don't sell yourself short buddy!!!!!!
Let's see we have the classic of you clutching this letter from Olivia's lawyer and threatening to sue everyone .The way you tried to say OO did a bad job raising money for charity and that you could do better and then only 3 people donated.Only having like 6 people who post on your board but then deceiding you need a "corporate rep".Your great on line newsletter idea where 2 people signed up.The way you burn all your bridges with Olivia's management and Koala Blue and then whine "Why does everyone hate us?"The way you try and bring up OO's membership numbers and you can't get more than 40 member's after 8 years.These are all classics just to name a few.This is comedy at it's best.
Of course there are the scary issues too , like when you go off the deep end and start ranting about how you can run Olivia's career better and that you should be with her.The way you post on the message board that because Olivia is a celebrity that entitles you to ALL the information about her public life.The REALLY scary posting's from your member Vicki about her fantasy encounters with Olivia and Roger Davies.And then there's the whole thing with Kate and her action's at concert's.
Hope this answer's your question about why we go there.In short ,IT'S FUNNY!
Anonymous said...
"My point is that OO did not lie about the European tour. They simply reported what was written in this article. It was always a 'possible' tour. There were never dates mentioned. The rumour itself that there was a possible tour came from Olivia's mouth. If some fans had more certain expectations than this and it got blown out of proportion on the message boards into something more concrete, then that is the fault of fans, not OO."
Valid point. However, OO, who thinks they are Olivia's mouth piece, should have not even brought it up or should have said there is no tour scheduled at that time. Instead, they couldn't wait to start a rumor which ended up making Olivia look bad yet again, because as you say, the words came out of her mouth.
OO did not do anything to discourage the rumor from taking hold and becoming a problem. They never came back with a disclaimer stating there was no scheduled tour. They also didn't bother to find out if there really was one being planned. Since all they would have to do is pick up the phone and call her management, they could have settled the problem right away. They instead choose to hang Olivia out to dry.
7/25/2006 8:03 PM
First of all, thank you for the reply. Nice to know that there can still be civilised debate here as this blog is becoming very unpleasant and I don't intend to post here after today.
I really can't speak for OO as to what they should or should not have done regarding to quashing the rumour or speaking to her management etc. I am not part of OO or any other club. You are entitled to your opinion and I am sure OO have equally valid opinions. I was simply pointing out the error of the statement you made above - that they lied about a European tour: I also know they have lied about European tours that were never supposed to happen which has alienated Olivia's European fans because they blame Olivia not the source of the lie (OO).
I was simply pointing out that they did not lie about a European tour - the source of this WAS Olivia - on which it sounds like we are both agreed. I have no axe to grind with either F&A or OO but just wanted to point out where this rumour came from, otherwise your post made it sound like this was a completely unfounded lie started by OO, which is not the truth.
So now that is cleared up I will bow out and let the catfight resume!
Oh sure, OO set out to deliberately deceive everyone. Oh brother. Who gives a damn about all this anyway?
It's just the F&A members feeble attempt in trying to change the subject from the factual statements made here against them to bull**** subject matter.
Seems like both "fan" clubs are a few quarts low on reality.
Kate
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: My Interview of The Today Show
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What an amazing experience today has been!!! I ended up staying over in NYC last night. Today we woke up at 5:30, got dressed and took a cab to The Today Show. We got there around 6. We found out that Olivia wouldn't be outside, but she pointed to a monitor, and I watched her warming up, she was skipping around on the stage goofing off. She looked adorible.
So this woman showed me where the stage door was, I thanked her and headed there. I waited for along time.
STALKER ALERT!STALKER ALERT!STALKER ALERT!Let's see,follows the tour bus and hangs by the stage door.STALKER ALERT!STALKER ALERT! STALKER ALERT!
Hi. I'd like to thank everyone here.
I have been a member of F&A for awhile. I will now be leaving. I never knew Bill was quite like that.. up until a couple of days ago. And now I read this..
I hope to join OO. F&A does seem.. anti-olivia to me, now. Thank you guys for showing me the better picture.
And about Kate..
Kate is a good person.
She's not a stalker..
You are so quick to judge. Just because she befriends Bill.. she's automatically a stalker?
Bill, you delusional little twit! Of course I couldn’t post on your screwed up message board to defend myself without having to register. I and any other rational person would want to distance themselves from you and your site as much as possible. You piss an moan about people leaving you in droves wanting to know why they will not let you defend yourself. It is because of your twisted little brain.
First off I do not appreciate you using my name on your message board saying that I stole photos from your site. My name is John Ingram and my website is http://www.lovelylivvy.com Get your shit together! Double check your facts before your go off the deep end. You seriously need mental help! I have worked in the printing and graphic industry for the past 20 years, I have a digital camera, and I know how to use Photoshop and do not need the photos from your website, including the ones that you put your F’ed up clubs name across.
You have the wrong John, I am in Fort Worth, TX which is a loooong way away from Australia. My site has class and I believe is a compliment to Ms. Newton-John, unlike yours which is flavored with piss and vinegar throughout! Judging from you photo that is on MySpace, you appear to be old enough to know better. You are one of the most bitter people that I have come across and attack everyone without getting the facts. I have read the shit that you spew to your few followers which seem to be teenage girls that do not know any better. Olivia would be ashamed of your tabloid style website that does nothing but trash and criticize every move that the lady makes.
Please make sure you do not come to the show in Dallas/Fort Worth!!!!!
"Hi. I'd like to thank everyone here.
I have been a member of F&A for awhile. I will now be leaving. I never knew Bill was quite like that.. up until a couple of days ago. And now I read this..
I hope to join OO. F&A does seem.. anti-olivia to me, now. Thank you guys for showing me the better picture."
Interesting. Where did you come up with that? I know who this person is. She is STILL with us and is a MAJOR contributor. She NEVER said she hoped to join OO. Wow, it seems that you are even too stupid to cut and paste correctly. By the way that girl was sent a private email by an OO member referring her to this site and told she HAD BETTER NOT SUPPORT F&A. You people just won't stop, will you? The truth just keeps getting farther and farther away from you. I am sure that your OO management who sent you here are very proud of you because you are the epitimy of what they think a fan should be: a lying, cheating, deplorable human being who would do or say anything to hurt another human being which is just the opposite of what Olivia represents.
"Kate
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: My Interview of The Today Show
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What an amazing experience today has been!!! I ended up staying over in NYC last night. Today we woke up at 5:30, got dressed and took a cab to The Today Show. We got there around 6. We found out that Olivia wouldn't be outside, but she pointed to a monitor, and I watched her warming up, she was skipping around on the stage goofing off. She looked adorible.
So this woman showed me where the stage door was, I thanked her and headed there. I waited for along time.
STALKER ALERT!STALKER ALERT!STALKER ALERT!Let's see,follows the tour bus and hangs by the stage door.STALKER ALERT!STALKER ALERT! STALKER ALERT!"
And of course there was not one single OO fan or another other fan who was there, right? Can you tell that? And of all those people there IN THE SAME PLACE KATE WAS, ONLY Kate was a stalker. And I am supposed to be the crazy one?
"Bill, you delusional little twit! Of course I couldn’t post on your screwed up message board to defend myself without having to register. I and any other rational person would want to distance themselves from you and your site as much as possible. You piss an moan about people leaving you in droves wanting to know why they will not let you defend yourself. It is because of your twisted little brain."
It is standard procedure on all messageboards to register. Why should ours be any different? And who is complaining about people leaving in droves? I am complaining about people like you sending them threatening emails so they would leave.
"First off I do not appreciate you using my name on your message board saying that I stole photos from your site. My name is John Ingram and my website is http://www.lovelylivvy.com Get your shit together! Double check your facts before your go off the deep end. You seriously need mental help! I have worked in the printing and graphic industry for the past 20 years, I have a digital camera, and I know how to use Photoshop and do not need the photos from your website, including the ones that you put your F’ed up clubs name across."
If you bothered to come back and look, I apologized to you for my error. The person was John Landon, not you. You didn't even look to see if I responded you just ASSUMED I wouldn't.
"You have the wrong John, I am in Fort Worth, TX which is a loooong way away from Australia. My site has class and I believe is a compliment to Ms. Newton-John, unlike yours which is flavored with piss and vinegar throughout! Judging from you photo that is on MySpace, you appear to be old enough to know better. You are one of the most bitter people that I have come across and attack everyone without getting the facts. I have read the shit that you spew to your few followers which seem to be teenage girls that do not know any better. Olivia would be ashamed of your tabloid style website that does nothing but trash and criticize every move that the lady makes."
That is your opinion. Do you think she would approve of THIS site and all the wonderful lies your OO friends (and maybe even you posting anonymously) have posted here? Isn't that just a little hipocritcal?
"Please make sure you do not come to the show in Dallas/Fort Worth!!!!!"
How could I if I have been banned from her concerts? Unless of course that rumor is another OO lie?
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That adress quite co-incidently is also the address of her attorney, Mr. John "Olivia doesn't support any fan clubs" Mason.
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And Mr. Bill "I am so jealous of OO" D'Amato can't handle the fact that Olivia is allowed to change her mind because she certainly supports OO.
I am not a member of F&A.
I would like to ask a question, though.
So, you idiots at OO accuse Kate of "stalking" Olivia by following her bus, yet when one of your own members tracks her down at a Walgreens store at 1:00 am in the morning, it's all the rage. Explain that, please.
Yeah, there are NO stalkers on the OO site?
Why the hell do you need to know this info?:
By Claudew on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:25 pm: Edit
By total coincidence i "bumped" into an Olivia article that mentionned her shoe size.
Well, i could come here and tell you the answer to that, but that wouldn`t be much fun, would it?
So here s my trivia question for you guys this morning
What is Olivia shoe size?........(answer in inches that is.....)
I can t wait to see who will press his button first and get the right answer....
-Claude
By Kim on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:30 pm: Edit
7-1/2 (I thought I read that somewhere)
By Claudew on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 12:39 pm: Edit
Wow Kim,
I m impressed, you are CORRECT!!!!!!
-Claude
Gee it took only 5 minutes, i gotta find better questions.......
KIM, go bleach your roots.
You know she sits on the board all day hitting the refresh button. I wonder if she and Kiliki have a competition going on who can post the most on the board.
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